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Post by twb1178 on Oct 29, 2014 20:49:19 GMT -8
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Post by Quads on Oct 29, 2014 21:00:21 GMT -8
Not Finished yet BUT
The last step was to just take items and break malware apart, some go into quarantine
Now though in Normal Mode the system should be running a lot better and dllhost.exe should quieten down.
Be careful of any Popup saying there's a update or asking to debug, it may be fake
Quads
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Post by twb1178 on Oct 29, 2014 21:05:54 GMT -8
Thank you Quads. Yes, it seems to be running better. I really appreciate your help.
Thanks, Travis
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Post by Quads on Oct 29, 2014 21:18:09 GMT -8
Read carefully
Download Adwcleaner www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/ on to your desktop The Blue Download Now @bleeping Computer button and run a scan ( Scan Button). It will create a log after. Or there is a Report button, ONE SCAN ONLY
Attach or paste the log back here Quads
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Post by twb1178 on Oct 29, 2014 21:38:07 GMT -8
Here is the log from the AdwCleaner scan
# AdwCleaner v3.311 - Report created 30/10/2014 at 00:23:48 # Updated 30/09/2014 by Xplode # Operating System : Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 (64 bits) # Username : Shelly - SHELLY-PC # Running from : C:\Users\Shelly\Desktop\AdwCleaner.exe # Option : Scan
***** [ Services ] *****
Service Found : AlotService
***** [ Files / Folders ] *****
File Found : C:\alotserviceruntime.log File Found : C:\END Folder Found : C:\Program Files (x86)\alotappbar Folder Found : C:\Program Files (x86)\Conduit Folder Found : C:\Program Files (x86)\Shop To Win Folder Found : C:\Program Files (x86)\Shop to Win 20 Folder Found : C:\Program Files (x86)\Yontoo Folder Found : C:\ProgramData\Tarma Installer Folder Found : C:\ProgramData\WeCareReminder Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Conduit Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Extensions\ngkdgphikkepnnefheniljdgolldgpld Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Temp\AirInstaller Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Temp\FCSB000063941 Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\alotappbar Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\alotservice Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\Conduit Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\FCSB000063941 Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Shop to Win 20 Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\pccustubinstaller Folder Found : C:\Users\Shelly\Documents\ShopToWin
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Key Found : HKCU\Software\alotservice Key Found : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\alotAppbar Key Found : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\Conduit Key Found : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\ConduitSearchScopes Key Found : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\SmartBar Key Found : HKCU\Software\Conduit Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Found : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Found : HKCU\Software\wecarereminder Key Found : [x64] HKCU\Software\alotservice Key Found : [x64] HKCU\Software\Conduit Key Found : [x64] HKCU\Software\wecarereminder Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\AppID\{4FBBF769-ECEB-420A-B536-133B1D505C36} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\AppID\{D616A4A2-7B38-4DBC-9093-6FE7A4A21B17} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\AppID\IEHelperv2.5.0.DLL Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{058F0E48-61CA-4964-9FBA-1978A1BB060D} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{058F0E48-61CA-4964-9FBA-1978A1BB060D} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{18F33C35-8EF2-40D7-8BA4-932B0121B472} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{18F33C35-8EF2-40D7-8BA4-932B0121B472} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{3C471948-F874-49F5-B338-4F214A2EE0B1} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{F773BB94-6C19-4643-A570-0E429103D1C3} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\IEHelperv250.WeCareReminder Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\IEHelperv250.WeCareReminder.1 Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{F773BB94-6C19-4643-A570-0E429103D1C3} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Toolbar.CT3184310 Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\TypeLib\{B12920CF-BE13-4C09-890D-1B6EFFFE2FBE} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Conduit Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Google\Chrome\Extensions\mkfokfffehpeedafpekjeddnmnjhmcmk Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\InstallIQ Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Low Rights\ElevationPolicy\{343263AB-D732-4066-A274-4A487A07F108} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Low Rights\ElevationPolicy\{AC5B6CDA-8F90-4740-9A8C-28AC5D3C73FE} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Low Rights\ElevationPolicy\{C42103E4-7D10-4CC9-B2B4-C546BCCF8706} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\alotservice_RASAPI32 Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\alotservice_RASMANCS Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\ConduitInstaller_RASAPI32 Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\ConduitInstaller_RASMANCS Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\wajamupdater_rasapi32 Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\wajamupdater_rasmancs Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\PreApproved\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\PreApproved\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\alotAppbar Key Found : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{23119123-0854-469D-807A-171568457991} Key Found : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Google\Chrome\Extensions\mkfokfffehpeedafpekjeddnmnjhmcmk Value Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar [{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED}] Value Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar [{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88}]
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-\\ Internet Explorer v11.0.9600.17280
-\\ Google Chrome v38.0.2125.111
[ File : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\preferences ]
Found [Search Provider] : hxxp://blekkosearch.mystart.com/goatbar/?source=c7d377a6&tbp=rbox&toolbarid=goatbar&u=___userid___&q={searchTerms} Found [Search Provider] : hxxp://search.conduit.com/ResultsExt.aspx?q={searchTerms}&SearchSource=4&ctid=CT3184310 Found [Search Provider] : hxxp://search.mywebsearch.com/mywebsearch/GGmain.jhtml?id=F0xdm003YYus&ptnrS=F0xdm003YYus&si=CPPXyoDi6rMCFXCmPAodbmIAmw&ptb=C74CA45A-9B35-4ED0-BE81-05A9617E65C9&ind=2012112513&n=77ee6681&psa=&st=sb&searchfor={searchTerms} Found [Search Provider] : hxxp://search.aol.com/aol/search?query={searchTerms} Found [Search Provider] : hxxp://www.ask.com/web?q={searchTerms} Found [Extension] : ippkomaaonokjnfjoikaemidanojkfmm Found [Extension] : ngkdgphikkepnnefheniljdgolldgpld
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AdwCleaner[R0].txt - [7663 octets] - [30/10/2014 00:23:48]
########## EOF - C:\AdwCleaner\AdwCleaner[R0].txt - [7723 octets] ##########
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Post by Quads on Oct 29, 2014 21:46:44 GMT -8
a) Click the Scan Button and wait for the scan to finish,. (already done if Adwcleaner is left pending) b) Make sure all of the items under each TAB are to be ticked. Except the entries for Ones below are to be unticked so as not to be deleted.
Key Found : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Google\Chrome\Extensions\mkfokfffehpeedafpekjeddnmnjhmcmk
Key Found : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Google\Chrome\Extensions\mkfokfffehpeedafpekjeddnmnjhmcmk
( Norton )
c) Click the Clean Button and Adwcleaner will process all the items ticked / checked and then may ask for the system to be restarted.d) It should create a new log afterwards (with S0 in the name). Here is a Screenshot example Quads
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Post by twb1178 on Oct 29, 2014 22:03:03 GMT -8
Here is the log that the last step created.
# AdwCleaner v3.311 - Report created 30/10/2014 at 00:56:28 # Updated 30/09/2014 by Xplode # Operating System : Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 (64 bits) # Username : Shelly - SHELLY-PC # Running from : C:\Users\Shelly\Desktop\AdwCleaner.exe # Option : Clean
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[#] Service Deleted : AlotService
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Folder Deleted : C:\ProgramData\Tarma Installer Folder Deleted : C:\ProgramData\WeCareReminder Folder Deleted : C:\Program Files (x86)\alotappbar Folder Deleted : C:\Program Files (x86)\Conduit Folder Deleted : C:\Program Files (x86)\Shop to Win 20 Folder Deleted : C:\Program Files (x86)\Shop To Win Folder Deleted : C:\Program Files (x86)\Yontoo Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Conduit Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Temp\AirInstaller Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Temp\FCSB000063941 Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\alotappbar Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\alotservice Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\Conduit Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\LocalLow\FCSB000063941 Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\pccustubinstaller Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Shop to Win 20 Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\Documents\ShopToWin Folder Deleted : C:\Users\Shelly\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome\User Data\Default\Extensions\ngkdgphikkepnnefheniljdgolldgpld File Deleted : C:\alotserviceruntime.log File Deleted : C:\END
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[x] Not Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Google\Chrome\Extensions\mkfokfffehpeedafpekjeddnmnjhmcmk [x] Not Deleted : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Google\Chrome\Extensions\mkfokfffehpeedafpekjeddnmnjhmcmk Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\AppID\IEHelperv2.5.0.DLL Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\IEHelperv250.WeCareReminder Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\IEHelperv250.WeCareReminder.1 Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\alotservice_RASAPI32 Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\alotservice_RASMANCS Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\ConduitInstaller_RASAPI32 Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\ConduitInstaller_RASMANCS Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\wajamupdater_rasapi32 Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Tracing\wajamupdater_rasmancs Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Toolbar.CT3184310 Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\AppID\{4FBBF769-ECEB-420A-B536-133B1D505C36} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\AppID\{D616A4A2-7B38-4DBC-9093-6FE7A4A21B17} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{058F0E48-61CA-4964-9FBA-1978A1BB060D} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{18F33C35-8EF2-40D7-8BA4-932B0121B472} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{3C471948-F874-49F5-B338-4F214A2EE0B1} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{F773BB94-6C19-4643-A570-0E429103D1C3} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{F773BB94-6C19-4643-A570-0E429103D1C3} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\TypeLib\{B12920CF-BE13-4C09-890D-1B6EFFFE2FBE} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Browser Helper Objects\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{85F5CF95-EC8F-49FC-BB3F-38C79455CBA2} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{D824F0DE-3D60-4F57-9EB1-66033ECD8ABB} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Settings\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\PreApproved\{02478D38-C3F9-4EFB-9B51-7695ECA05670} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\PreApproved\{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Low Rights\ElevationPolicy\{343263AB-D732-4066-A274-4A487A07F108} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Low Rights\ElevationPolicy\{AC5B6CDA-8F90-4740-9A8C-28AC5D3C73FE} Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Low Rights\ElevationPolicy\{C42103E4-7D10-4CC9-B2B4-C546BCCF8706} Value Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar [{A531D99C-5A22-449B-83DA-872725C6D0ED}] Value Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar [{EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88}] Key Deleted : [x64] HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Interface\{23119123-0854-469D-807A-171568457991} Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\alotservice Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\Conduit Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\wecarereminder Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\alotAppbar Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\Conduit Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\ConduitSearchScopes Key Deleted : HKCU\Software\AppDataLow\Software\SmartBar Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Conduit Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\InstallIQ Key Deleted : HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\alotAppbar
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Post by Quads on Oct 29, 2014 22:17:56 GMT -8
On with step 4, Complete system check for any file and cleanup of items and tools used. Special attention to the different settings I have asked for below You can leave Norton Enabled even though ESET may warn about it. just makes the scan take longer. The pictures below showing what to click may be blue instead of green on the ESET website now, but the procedure is still the same Please read carefully and Slowly, Notice all the settings listed below to check before starting the scan. Take note of the NO tick in the Remove found threats setting below at it needs to have the tick removed.
Hold down Control and click on the following link to open ESET OnlineScan in a new window. ESET OnlineScan
Click the For alternate browsers only: (Microsoft Internet Explorer users can skip these steps) Click on Posted Image to download the ESET Smart Installer. Save it to your desktop. Double click on the icon on your desktop. Check Click the button. Accept any security warnings from your browser. Under scan settings, check DON'T (NO)</font></b> check Remove found threats (reason for this is we don't want something deleted and then Windows won't load).
Click Advanced settings and select the following: Scan potentially unwanted applications Scan for potentially unsafe applications Enable Anti-Stealth technology
ESET will then download updates for itself, install itself, and begin scanning your computer. Please be patient as this can take some time. Attach the resulting log in your next reply The scanner screen gives me the option of saving the results to a .txt file as part of the options after the scan has finished. Screenshot of part of the finished scan dialog box by ESET showing the options. List found threats and at the bottom of the listings is the options to save the list. Quads
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Post by twb1178 on Oct 29, 2014 22:43:41 GMT -8
After I accept Terms of Use and click Start button, the window goes completely blank and a pop up at the bottom says:
An add on for this website has failed to run
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Quads
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Post by Quads on Oct 29, 2014 22:47:27 GMT -8
It is the Internet Explorers Popup blocker blocking it, eset.com has to be added to the blocker to allow it through, OR use Firefox / Chrome instead.
Don't forget the scanning settings to not auto delete etc.
Quads
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